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09 January 2005 @ 04:23 pm
 
I am sitting in the Tea Lounge on Union Street in Brooklyn and it is full of screaming babies. I like children well enough but really. On the upside I suppose this place is entirely staffed by hot gay women which gives Ruby something to distract herself.

Given that Manhattan is the most expensive city in the country and I make no money at all I spend a lot of time thinking about money. Today I was thinking that if I ever sell my book maybe I should move to Ireland so I can live there tax-free. :> (I keep thinking, surely that can't actually work. Maybe you have to write an epic Irish poem to qualify.) If nothing else, it's indicative of an enviable attitude towards artists and writers, one that I've always noted exists more outside the US - we only have respect for writers if they make lots and lots of money, and that's mostly because Americans are always impressed by people they think make bucketloads of money for doing basically nothing at all.

I remember when I was on vacation in Mexico five years ago, in a tiny town called Puerto Angel, and I'd run out of books to read. My boyfriend at the time, a generally useless person who had occasional flashes of worthwhileness, went to the manager of our hotel and explained that I was a writer, and since I was a writer, I needed to have books to read, and they needed to be in English, because I didn't speak any Spanish, otherwise I would expire from lack of inspiration or something. The manager was like, "Oh, a writer! and took me to the house of one of the wealthier women in town, who collected books (in all languages - I am not sure she read them - I think she just liked to have them) and explained that I was a writer, and therefore needed books, and she let me take whatever books I wanted. (I ended up taking Timothy Findley's Dinner Along the Amazon.)

And then there was the time when my parents were living in France, in Samois-sur-Seine, and Air France lost my baggage at CDG, and the airline offered to compensate me for the contents of the bag, and my mother called them up and explained that her daughter was a writer, and her work was in the luggage and therefore replacing it was not an option because of course work is irreplacable. (At the time, I mostly wrote in longhanded and was halfway through my thesis project for college, which was a linked bunch of short stories, so mostly I was merely horrified at the thought of having to do the whole bloody thing again.) So eventually they found my luggage and drove it out to the small town where my parents lived, and the porter rang the front doorbell and handed me my bag, and I was very pleased. "Yay, my luggage!" He said, "You understand we had to examine the contents of the bag to determine that it was yours?" Me, "Yes." Him, "In any case, mademoiselle, I have read your novel. It was very engaging." My mother, "Haahahahha!" Me, "Argh." Him, "I have made the following notes and corrections..." Okay, he didn't say that last bit, but it would have been funny if he had. In France everyone is a critic.

Wah, the guy sitting next to me smells. Clearly this is not going to be a good Tea Lounge day.
 
 
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DianaDragonfly[info]dianadragonfly on January 9th, 2005 10:05 pm (UTC)
Hi! Yo u don't know me, but I friended you Waaaay back in the day because the very secret diairies made me giggle.

I'm a writing student :) Nice to meet you.
Cassie Clare[info]cassandraclare on January 9th, 2005 10:12 pm (UTC)
Weeeell, as this is my nonfandom LJ you will not find much in the way of VSDs here. But you are welcome to read if you like.
panic! at the basquiat: (me) amoeba chibi - art by val[info]ladyjaida on January 9th, 2005 10:07 pm (UTC)
So much smelly in the tea lounge. I wish I could be more coherent about the rest of your post, because a lot of it rings bells with me, but all I can think of is the incredible smelly that is often in the tea lounge and my brain just goes "fwoot."
Cassie Clare[info]cassandraclare on January 9th, 2005 10:08 pm (UTC)
He keeps talking to me, too. Smellily.
Faster, plebe! I do believe I have the vapours!: Malfoys in the Attic[info]slytherincesss on January 9th, 2005 10:07 pm (UTC)
Sometimes I hope that I can be a published writer, but it wouldn't be able to be in fiction. I wonder if there is room for yet another true-crime-life-experience sociological study-like thing. (Wow, that sure sounded professional . . . )

I wonder if one writes more technical stuff or non-fiction, if one is considered a writer in the same way. I kind of think NOT. There is a certain sense of glamor -- as you allude to in your post -- about imaginative writing/fiction that doesn't so much carry over to non-fiction or investigative writing.

Sorry about the stinky guy. Bleurgh.
Cassie Clare[info]cassandraclare on January 9th, 2005 10:10 pm (UTC)
Well, it would depend on the nonfiction, I think. Memoirs, histories, certain kinds of sociological studies, definitely blur the lines between creative/imaginative fiction and nonfiction. Math textbooks, though, do lack glamour.
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Je suis la lune.[info]lespoir_sombre on January 9th, 2005 10:09 pm (UTC)
From your journal entries, I think you will be good at writing personal essays--if you want something different from fictional works or the pure impersonal nonfiction that reporters and researchers tend to do--- but I'm afraid that probably few will read it until you become well known, whether through your writing or becoming shamelessly connected to some celebity.
Just my 2 cents.
Cassie Clare[info]cassandraclare on January 9th, 2005 10:12 pm (UTC)
God, no. I hate personal essays, they remind me of college applications. Though perhaps I can shamelessly manouver myself to the top of the publishing world through sleeping with some celebrity. I shall make the sacrifice for my career and give Colin Firth a call.
little miss sunshine: harry/draco // leetje[info]mmichelle on January 9th, 2005 10:14 pm (UTC)
oi, you -- I basically suck and have forgotten to mention this until now, but THANK YOU for the holiday card. It was very sweet. :x :x :x
Steve[info]mroctober on January 9th, 2005 10:17 pm (UTC)
For some reason your post made me remember that one guy in the infamous summer writing group Holly n I shared.

Intelligent. Alien. Horses.

Not all writers earn respect. I would imagine in France they would have contemptuously thought such twaddle as.... umm.. twaddle. Horses... no, cheval are meant for dining.
Cassie Clare[info]cassandraclare on January 9th, 2005 10:19 pm (UTC)
I must say nobody in France ever tried to serve me any pony. And hey, Mercedes Lackey has built an empire on intelligent horses. I suppose it all depends on your approach.
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and still, the lobster held on: just a fucked up girl-esotsm.[info]pirouette on January 9th, 2005 10:21 pm (UTC)
I've always wanted to be a published writer. All I've ever wanted to do with my life, really, is write--except I never finish anything. Ever. Ok, well, there was this one fic I wrote for a feedback ficathon, and some HP stuff I did finish, but it was all crap.

Just ask him if he's met Jesus--that always works on the weirdos.
Cassie Clare[info]cassandraclare on January 9th, 2005 10:24 pm (UTC)
He is a lefty hippie weirdo so probably cares more about Che than Jesus. Yes, the whole published writer dream is a compelling one. There was an interesting discussion on [info]bgliterary's lj about what writing for money vs. writing "to be read" and what makes a professional author.
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Lasair: Dublin[info]lasultrix on January 9th, 2005 10:37 pm (UTC)
I suspect the tax-free-ness is the only reason Maya has not decided to flee forever once she graduates this summer. She is a slave to foreign accents on men once they are not Scottish.

I have heard grumblings in the opinion pages of the papers about that tax exemption, though, so it may not be around all that long...
Cassie Clare[info]cassandraclare on January 9th, 2005 10:41 pm (UTC)
I'd better get on that in the next few years then. :>
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mentally unstable like a fox: Books and tea for meeee[info]wordplay on January 9th, 2005 10:46 pm (UTC)
I did a "what is a writer" poll a while ago, because it was the first time I'd ever had an audience this large to hash out the eternally discussed question. This seemed to be the perfect milieu for it, and what showed up (while highly skewed by the audience it found itself pitched to - it was picked up by the Daily Snitch and similar newsletters across a few fandoms) was interesting. And really, really funny, I thought, because for that audience, you didn't even have to write to be a writer - only 89% of respondents seemed to consider that a necessary condition. And fewer than 5% thought publication or payment were necessary. Easy crowd, I guess.
Cassie Clare[info]cassandraclare on January 9th, 2005 10:49 pm (UTC)
Well, you don't have to be published or paid to be a writer - though that may be a necessary condition for being an author. But if you don't write, what, pray tell, makes you a writer?! ("She's a dancer who doesn't dance. He's a painter who doesn't paint. It's like the Boho version of Island of the Lost Toys.")
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Nell[info]poconell on January 9th, 2005 10:54 pm (UTC)
Americans are always impressed by people they think make bucketloads of money for doing basically nothing at all.

Word! Those of us who work our asses off and make diddley, are shit on society's shoe. :P

I like it though. Genuine and all natural. Close to our humble beginnings.
lucius[info]wednesdayschild on January 9th, 2005 10:55 pm (UTC)
... what's a Tea Lounge? Is it like a coffee shop for tea? :-?
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all you need is love[info]penm on January 9th, 2005 11:17 pm (UTC)
:O Tax-free in Ireland!? Surely there is a catch somewhere.

He said, "You understand we had to examine the contents of the bag to determine that it was yours?" Me, "Yes." Him, "In any case, mademoiselle, I have read your novel. It was very engaging."

That is so cool.

I want to be travelling again now. How long did you live in France?
Cassie Clare[info]cassandraclare on January 9th, 2005 11:19 pm (UTC)
I never did live in France - my parents lived there while I was in college. I just visited on holidays.
dragongirlG[info]dragongirlg on January 9th, 2005 11:43 pm (UTC)
that's mostly because Americans are always impressed by people they think make bucketloads of money for doing basically nothing at all.

*sigh* Starving artistry...
Jordan Catalano: WillyWonka[info]prettyveela on January 10th, 2005 12:01 am (UTC)
I am sitting in the Tea Lounge on Union Street in Brooklyn and it is full of screaming babies. I like children well enough but really. On the upside I suppose this place is entirely staffed by hot gay women which gives Ruby something to distract herself.

I feel the same way. I love children but dude :\

lol@Ruby.

Ah Sunday's, gotta love em!
just a molodoy devotchka.: [we are robots] :(([info]dayafternext on January 10th, 2005 02:06 am (UTC)
Um, Cassandra? I know this is the most obnoxious, whiny type of comment out there, but why did you defriend me? Just curious...
Cassie Clare[info]cassandraclare on January 10th, 2005 03:05 am (UTC)
Huh, I didn't know I had. *puzzled*
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Eonen: Snape[info]lady_eonen on January 10th, 2005 12:56 pm (UTC)
In France everyone is a critic.
Too true. But then, some of the world's best writing comes from there, too. Alexandre Dumas-the father, upon being accused of raping history, replied with inherent genius, "Yes, I rape her. So what? I make her the most adorable babies."
Mer: greenhome[info]stakebait on January 10th, 2005 03:47 pm (UTC)
Writers can live tax free in Ireland?

Want a roommate?

I'm going there next week, actually, but just for a business trip. But living in Ireland's always been on my maybe someday list. If only it wasn't so far away from New York. :)
Life without me is gay and faggoty: on the pull[info]tartpants on January 10th, 2005 04:31 pm (UTC)
On the subject of writers and money/respect, I had a student write a paper on the Harry Potter books last semester; I wanted her to develop it into something about how the stories appeal to American culture because of the good vs. evil arc, but all she wrote about was how rich JKR is and how "American's love a rags-to-riches" story and that was why they loved JKR's books. o_O

When I was working on my MFA in poetry I used to fly from Ohio back to Colorado and would inevitably end up sitting next to someone who would say, "So you're a student? What of?" I would answer: "I'm getting my Masters in Poetry... I'm a poet, I guess." Their reply? "Oh wow! So... what will you do with that? Oh! You could write for Hallmark?"
Life without me is gay and faggoty: red nose day is awkward[info]tartpants on January 10th, 2005 04:35 pm (UTC)
OMG I was not supposed to mention Harry Potter here, was I? I didn't mean it in a fandomy way, not at all. It was about SCHOOL, yes. :(
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Ashley[info]pot_pal_ashley on January 10th, 2005 09:47 pm (UTC)
tea lounge
I love that particular tea lounge cause they can make a heart of cinnamon on my chai :)

sad snoo as have never run into you there
Kathleen: doing something original. (gold.)[info]myboyrobot on January 13th, 2005 03:33 am (UTC)
hello, cassie! totally unrelated, i just wanted to let you know that i've been following this journal of yours. i always like to see more real-life related stuff. feel free to add back or not, i just wanted to say hello. (this is MK, post-frown.)
Cassie Clare[info]cassandraclare on January 13th, 2005 07:14 am (UTC)
Hey sweetie! Glad to see you here. I have friended you back as I also like to see more real-life related stuff with my friends.
But Japan is closed on Sundays![info]1anonymous1 on January 13th, 2005 08:18 pm (UTC)
I sat across from a crackhead on the PRT today.

Why cant there be hot gay women and tea on the PRT?
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